Posts by John Aquila

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

I'm not sure why, but I broke up laughing and couldn't stop when I saw this pic.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

Cadellin

Hope is a powerful force and for many JWs, their religion supplies them that in spades.

Facts vs Hope

Facts

Facts that the Watchtower is not God’s channel of communication

Facts that every prophesy the WT has made has failed

Facts that the 607 date is false and Jesus did not start ruling in 1914

Facts that the Governing Body is a group of delusional, old men

Facts that you as a JW have wasted years of your life following these delusional, old men.

Hope

Hope that you will live forever in a paradise earth.

Hope that you will get young and stay that way forever

Hope that you can be with your family forever.

Hope that the “END” is just around the corner.

Hope is some powerful stuff.

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The Romans did not crucify robbers

by purrpurr in

i've been reading a book called nonsense from the bible.

in it it makes the point that the romans did not crucify robbers.

having since researched this it seems this is true.

John Aquila

CalebInFloroda

The JWs missed the logical step of remembering that Greek is merely a translation of the events and that the words used were archaic or at least not always compatible with what was happening in the first century. Anyone can look up anything in a book, but that doesn't make you a scholar unless you can use it like a scholar.

Thanks Caleb. That is the best explanation I have ever seen. This information will go into my library.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

SecretSlaveClass

Excellent thread. It has not only provided us with a great topic of discussion, but also ultimately allowed for definitive conclusions to be reached. Thanks!

Thanks! To be honest, the whole experience caught me off guard. I’m without words as to why most people in the organization are not willing to leave the Organization.

I think it’s just fear. Fear is the biggest obstacle that is holding back individuals JWs from facing reality. Whether it is fear of the unknown, fear of losing family, fear of losing their social network that took a life time to build, or fear of disrupting the status quo, “FEAR” is the biggest obstacle that Jehovah’s Witnesses have to overcome in order to escape the Cult.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

defender of truth
What leads him to believe that a loving God would only reward with everlasting life.. those that preach false doctrines and are willing to cut their own family members out of their lives completely? How would an all knowing God who supposedly requires worship in truth, and to love your neighbor feel about such people?

Good Point!

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

blondie

How often can someone slap you in the face before you realize that you have to get out of slapping range?

That's so true!

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

3rdgen

I'm guessing your friend has not lived long enough to actually have his faith tested.

That’s absolutely true. No blood issue, no life and death matter that involves choosing their organization or one of their family members.

I'm just sick of trying to help them wake up. I have had it, I'm done. They need to wake up on their own just like me.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

breakfast of champions

Yeah, that is a pretty disheartening conversation, JOHN AQUILA.
But in the end if someone wants that crap, by all means they can have at it.

I agree, I think I've had it trying to help these people.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

John Aquila

So I ran into this brother whom I’ve known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the Kingdom Hall. We talked for about an hour during which time I explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in Australia. But what I wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation. I will write as best as I can remember.

So these were his final words to me:

I’ve seen many apostates’ sites, don’t think we are not aware, but I want you to know that other families in the Kingdom Hall that we know are very much aware of several ex-jw sites. And we've gotten together and talked about it and have considered our options. You can't help but see them on the internet.

Let’s say you are right. Let’s say 607 BC is the wrong date and let’s say the child abuse stuff in Australia is right and we leave the Watchtower, then what, what do you or any apostates have to offer. Do you have an answer why there is so much wickedness? Do you have a solution to stop sickness, suffering, and most of all death?

You and all apostates have nothing to offer. You have no answer as to why we were put on this earth and where we are headed. Most of you think this life is all there is. You debate among yourselves whether humans evolved or if they are in some type of computer simulation.

So when your parents or children die, all you have is these great memories for a short while. Then a few years will pass and those memories will die, because most of you believe this life is all there is. That is the saddest thing a human can believe.

It’s true that the WT doesn’t have all the answers, but neither do you. Perhaps they speculate, but so do you. And yes there are bad people in the organization, but show me an organization that doesn’t have bad people. It’s not just the WT that has bad people but all religious organization have bad people that exploit others. But that’s not all, you have Universities like Penn State, you have corrupt policemen, dirty politicians, and why don’t you google “fraud charities,” and see how many corrupt charities you get.

On top of this the Bible shows very plainly that there was bad people causing heartache and suffering to individuals within the nation of Israel? Saul was bad, David was bad, Solomon died bad, in fact there were probably only one or two good kings in the entire Bible. Weren’t we told in the Bible that there would be lots of people having a form of godly devotion but proving false to it power? Well that's what's happening.

And if the end doesn’t come in my time and I die, how do you think I will feel if the last few moments of my life I see my wife and children and Know in my heart that I will see them again. Do you know the comfort that I will feel on my death bed knowing this? Or if I see one of my children or my wife dying before my eyes, do you even understand the comfort that I will have knowing that I will see them again. It’s a big deal to die with a wonderful hope rather than dying believing this life is all there is.

So don’t try to convince me to leave the Organization. If I want to leave, I will leave on my own; I don’t need anyone to help me. And it won’t matter how many facts you put in front of me because facts won’t change my mind. I mean if someone brought you facts that your son killed someone and your son denied it, only to be found out later that he was lying, would those facts that were brought to your attention stop you from believing in your son if he told you he was sorry and wanted to right the wrong and needed your help. Would facts make you turn on him?

So you can show me facts about 607 and you can show me all the failed prophesies, and point to all those covering child abuse but it’s not going to change what I believe. What I believe has a ring of truth. Me and my family are happy where we’re at and we don’t need to investigate or research anything anymore. I met my wife in the organization, been married 15 years and she’s great. I have two great kids, have a job, home, -----what else do I need? Why would I want to disrupt that?

And if we are wrong and you are right, we will never know- will we? Because once we die, neither of us will be able to gloat that we were right.

So listen, if you want to stay out---- then stay out. I won’t invite you again to come back. But at the same time don’t try to get me or any one in my family out of the WT because all you will do is disrupt the peace we have.

We talked a little more and he shook my hand and we both parted.

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Do you think the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime or a terrible act of war ?

by truthseeker100 in

i believe that the bombings shortened the war in the pacific and probably saved countless lives.

i am not an expert on this subject but given the times it was probably the correct and moral thing to do.. what say you all?.

John Aquila

the correct and moral thing to do.

Not sure!

But the bigger question is, Will it happen again within our life time? The probability is very high that it will.

Nine countries together possess more than 15,000 nuclear weapons. The United States and Russia maintain roughly 1,800 of their nuclear weapons on high-alert status – ready to be launched within minutes of a warning. Most are many times more powerful than the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945.